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this is James Randi and you're listening

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to the skeptic zone welcome to the

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skeptic zone the podcast from Australia

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yes it's the skeptics our own episode

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number 136 or the 27th of May the 27th

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of May and date I bet you never thought

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you'd see because of the rapture last

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week with sham has now been postponed

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until October was raining apparently and

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you know things get postponed 27th of

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may 2011 Richard Saunders here with you

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from Sydney Australia what an episode we

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have for you today we're going to kick

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off with the trip the skipping zone team

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made to yes mind-body wallet mind-body

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wallet this is every six months here in

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Sydney giant psychic and alternative

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fair which is fair game for us i must

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say very interesting lots of insights as

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we wander around the massive hall at the

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exhibition center there in darling

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harbour right near the center of town

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lots of strange things going on and

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following that it's a bumper think tank

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it was really nice to see the gang the

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other night at our favorite club down

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the end of the street where we had a

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nice Chinese dinner and a long talk

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about some of these skeptical issues of

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the day now couple of announcements to

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make listen if you're not a listener to

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righteous indignation the UK podcast

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give it a listen give it a listen listen

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to episode number 91 they interview a

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so-called psychic by the name of Vicki

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Monroe from the USA it's I a wonderful

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insight into the thinking of some of

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these people she goes on about her work

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with police for example but the icing on

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the cake is she gives hosts Michael

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Marshall and Haley Stevens

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reading towards the end priceless if you

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want to learn anything about the art of

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cold reading how to do it how not to do

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it some insights and tips this is the

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interview for you run along too HTTP

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colon slash slash p.a.r.a.m.o.r.e

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dot-com / RI or just google righteous

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indignation well done marsh and haley

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now something for sydneysiders art meets

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science now this is a very interesting

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outing called culture at work and you

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can find out more w w culture at work

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calm day you or go to facebook and look

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up culture at work this is where artists

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get together with scientists and come up

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with all sorts of interesting thing in

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fact on the on the fourth of june

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saturday the fourth of june they're

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launching a new venture called blood on

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silk mmm that sounds interesting look if

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you're interested in art and you're

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interested in science and so I think

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mini skeptic zone listeners are check it

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out culture at work on facebook or ww

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culture at work calm got a you and

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that's at pyrmont here in Sydney very

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interesting stuff and finally you may

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recall a number of weeks ago I played a

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play at an audio from the Today Tonight

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program where i appeared putting the

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boot squarely into the quackery

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witchcraft outdated rubbish of

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homeopathy I'm not biased in my inet sup

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on youtube on my youtube channel which

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is skeptics and podcast and well you

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know I've had word from various sources

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that the homeopaths are not best pleased

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with this report which really doesn't

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mince its words about homeopathy and

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they've been writing to today tonight to

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express their dismay and concern about

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this terribly biased report now there

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was an expression I think

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as we say in Australia sucked in

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numpties I loved one of them they said

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along the lines of it's up to people

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like James Randi to prove homie up but

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he doesn't work well to that I say what

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again learn some science well what can I

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do now what can I drink what can I drink

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what if I got in the fridge down stairs

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to have a nice big skeptics mug of hot

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chocolate and let you enjoy the skeptic

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zone kicking off with a good old

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well the holes filling up here on

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darling harbour were here for mind-body

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wallet once again reluctantly maybe

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Rachel yes she says Joe I similarly and

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an old friend of mine mark Marcus is

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your first mind-body wollaton it is yes

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you have a glint in your eye which will

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soon disappear i sure will very quickly

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but it's it's buzzing actually there's

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people queued up to buy their tickets

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the whole looks packed but yes here we

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are again so we're here so you don't

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have to be folks you don't have to put

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yourself in disguise lucky listeners

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sitting back in your car or we're doing

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what you're doing improvement you don't

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have to be here in city but it is the

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day after rapture so we're pretty

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wrapped about that yes all those over

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way to hurry up and then come and find

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us covering wrecks in a corner somewhere

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well what can I say we've just entered

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it's the same old same old we've just

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passed the allergy solutions in

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iridology angel power where you can have

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your guardian angel sketched and we're

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at the far end now what have you found

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there what the health of each human cell

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is determined by its optimum optimum

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level of energy oh I always knew it and

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well now we're diving into the first

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car door here what do we have polaris

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rising sounds interesting pain relief

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spirit of crystal new generations it's

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going to be a fun day all I can see the

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stand ahead of Mitchell Coombs who I

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remember from the one a couple years ago

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we all carry on we are passing the

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hubbard volcano book Dianetics they're

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here every six months I must say we've

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already had two arguments mark yes each

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other so either that it forms a huge oil

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this when I told him what an eye on was

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he didn't seem to understand this is a

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man selling us gel that had been

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divinely blessed at and then he went on

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to say that it knocked over cancer so we

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will less than pleased with him so no

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entered by God I mean we could my god

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all right there's also given to the guy

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by God and Nicholas Tesla Tesla we all

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said what was that all about what was

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that acid in the in the drinking water

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she was saying we drink yeah you know

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the whole range of the alkaline industry

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now our bodies are too acidic and

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possibly selling water they're selling

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water but it's alkaline

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alkaline water because you know it means

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you're everything you know a cleanse

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your colon and you know that all

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diseases are acidic this is the city

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like I said yep so drink alkaline water

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and you'll be cured you've got the DVD

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now and you know what you're going to

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watch when you go home I know I know

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what I'm gonna be watching along with

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the homeopathy + DVD which Richards

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mark this time with people selling a

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service to clean your home of negative

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far as I can tell and I gave him the

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skeptics card for the hundred thousand

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dollar prize and and they were

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very eager to get rid of us what as they

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realize that you are skeptical yes

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indeed and right now we've found

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do live blood Oh Rachel's just hang at

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it mostly skip exams here today it's

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code phone is new well quite fun in a

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strange sort of way a good that you

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just mentioning to us that we might walk

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receiver my caucus video yeah and see

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what they have to say about various

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margon I just had an interesting talk

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with people selling tesla own radiation

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blocking devices yeah something about

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people achieve or a nickel chester and

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geo pathak stresses and all that sort of

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thing but we spoke to the guy for about

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electrical engineer actually put it to

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him quite reasonably and calmly that

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what he was suggesting was just

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physically nonsense you're blocking the

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electricity itself you lock it up lock

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the wire and after about 10 minutes i

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maybe we knew what we were talking about

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what he's talking about well may not

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actually the claims that he's making may

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not be true interesting result it says a

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lot Tories character that he's willing

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that guy at least he was this me was so

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it's a couple of hours of now slipped by

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here in mind body wallet I've actually

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we just lost half our party mark i think

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they may be hiding outside i don't know

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i wouldn't blame them for running away

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about half way up the aisle just yeah

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but it's crowded this place it served as

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raptured a 20 second and this place is

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just absolutely heaving it's really hard

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the crowds and i'll see if i can find

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the others in this maze of color and the

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crystals and woo as mark says and reiki

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empowerment to my right and metaphysical

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mysteries to my left joe is just making

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a comment that she thinks there's a lot

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lesser they really dangerous stuff here

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this time well there's still stuff here

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concerning and a lot of it's sort of you

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know if you take it far enough it's got

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potential to be harmful but in the past

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and we've been here I really get the

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feeling that there's been a lot more of

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things like the young the pendants that

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sunscreen and there's less of it there's

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those are the water that cures cancer

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scare the alkaline water the people who

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and the where is the homeopathy

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no homeopathy and the guy who the guy

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who claims to be able to cure cancer and

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HIV who we always see ya no no no he's

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from California and when he sort of that

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all yeah he's one of those ones who's

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how he's address some weird address in

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California or something so yeah there's

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or going energy people and they're

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selling a couple of things which claimed

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to be able to protect you from a get

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electromagnetic radiation one of which

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is it literally looks like I'm plugged

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with a bar of soap stuck onto the back

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of it and you're supposed to plug that

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into your power socket and supposed to

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protect you from EMS Alex re AMR

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whatever you pull it and eyes already

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music oh my god may not really see and

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and then they're also selling these

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they're basically stickers and they've

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got a little things like one of those

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little patterns you can make with with

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string those spiral patterns oil and yes

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my graph and and they're claiming that

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that like power balance it's impregnated

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with a frequency of negative ions that

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remembers indicative negative ion

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frequency so it lasts six months ago

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there was a stand here selling a power

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balance like yeah Christo they're not

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here sure thing reasons I'm being silly

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doing it for that's the quantum quantum

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accelerator

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sneak around the corner here I can't see

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your fusion XL baby it's where was the

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store that had the plug in T with a soft

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bottom it's right down the other end

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that's called all going unique you need

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a map and a compass you really did the

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UM but of course you know the few of

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them are selling them their ear candles

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are the foot patch people are selling

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them as well but you know we asked him

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about them and we asked them what they

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do and of course you know they can't

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even even the guy the guy who invented

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it was there and he couldn't tell us

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what it does because well you know he

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may just sense this they sense it that's

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how men are the frequency is there

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because they sense it and anyway they're

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selling stickers for twenty bucks and

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claiming that it can protect you stick

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it on your phone on the battery yes and

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it can protect you from my association

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now as we stand here we are right near

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the church of scientology and iran is

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having either you need to done look

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escape we have escaped we are outside

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mind-body wallet now before we fled iran

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you wear when over and you were teasing

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those poor people at the dynamics of

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scientology let's clarify this as we

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will pass them i said to Iran now run

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don't go and he's the Scientologists a

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chance finding out if a Scientologist

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Joe what happened so first of all I told

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Joe please take all these [\h__\h]

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leaflets that I have because I need both

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have both hands it took a while for them

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to to get them to actually want to test

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me using the e meter and honestly I've

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been tested with the e meter before and

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I control it using my little fingers

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because they're hidden from you because

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they can tell that you actually moving

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them so it's easy to manipulate the

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needle but I discovered something very

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interesting at seven point he will

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obviously the needle wasn't doing what

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he was supposed to do I wonder why that

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happened but what is she fiddled with

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the controls a little bit and then the

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needles started doing exactly what she

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wanted it to do but completely contrary

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to what I was doing

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oh there is a demo mode in the e meter

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no yes there is because what happened

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was that i was actually letting go of

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the of the two cylinders I was actually

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letting go the needle should have gone

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left he was actually going sharp to the

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right like it basically had no I was

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having no control over either all I say

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they've gone to the white field school

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exactly hada so that's something I

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didn't know about the e meter that he

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had a demo mode this is what it should

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look like when you stressed right so so

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that was interesting boo you stretch

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true well we've done it again we've done

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it again we've actually survived the

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mind-body wallet for yet another six

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months period it's so nice to step

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outside there's a giant Ferris wheel

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right in front of us here at darling

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harbour it's just evening now it's a

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lovely scene outside compared to the

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utter devastation of craziness light of

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reason the light of reason as I think we

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said earlier it's actually quite amusing

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when someone in there tells you someone

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from that side of things tells you that

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they're the same as person in the place

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so from one body one Thank You Reggie

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thank you we're on thank you Joe thank

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we take you now to a conversation being

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shattered across a hillside what I think

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I'm trying to come up with a brother for

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this podcast what podcast the geologic

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podcast watch a geologic odka Oh Hobbs

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pointless meanderings skeptical

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observations ridiculous musical

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interludes and not the hint of geology

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all right maybe a little bit of geology

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what's not worth it achenbach he's got

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the religious more out of the week she

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has about grades jay-z lyrics who it was

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ask George who cares what a bastard

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thing is just a fun greets the horoscope

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gotta be shot the Bible morning guys its

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on science stupid answer Adventures of

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the Philadelphia funk authority what

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Ukrainian boy playing drums the funk

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band must be fascinating but none of

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that is appealing even a we beat great

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about two min then I won't find a good

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the geologic podcast pointless but free

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podcast on

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join us now for drinking skeptically in

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the think tank I wonder I wonder if

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other people around the world have think

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tanks if they do I bet they're not as

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fun as our think tank and tonight it is

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bursting at the seams ladies and

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gentlemen we have dr. rachy hi dr. AG's

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dr. Richard I like that dr. Richard we

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have dr. Joe I received we have dr.

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Diane Richard doctor she be Nimrod way

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no doctor drunken madman I'm reporting

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easy doctor call for taking his

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trademark and dr. Iran hello dr. Richard

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dr. Egan I do like it well listen we are

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all charging our glasses and toasting

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toast toast toast clink thank you boom

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great water great work oh there's your

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dinner in around look at that lovely

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chicken arriving as we speak pork do i

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do eat pork yes what is that thank you

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is that fish or some idiot yes we do

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sorry it's often pepper I don't think

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you were here Sultan of salt and pepper

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king prawns that looks lovely with chili

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on top I do eat pork and no prongs on

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kosher either hey don't matter listen we

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are doubly sir celebrating that because

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um we had a wonderful donation thank you

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Eric and Eric you know who you are who

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sent us a little bit of money so we

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could all have drinks and we all we are

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let's toast the health of Eric to area

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oh thank you time haha hello since are

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hiding the rap shots and also I'm

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toasting anyway and I'm sure we all are

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because we've just received the news

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that and this is from a website called

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SmartCompany Comte you Australian

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distributor of power balance wristbands

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collapses owner admits he was naive so

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Tom O'Dowd Hoover who I met and tested

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by the way on national television and

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told him and told him it didn't work

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it's finally come to the stage where

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he's out and he he thinks I should

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rephrase that he claims here that the

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business leaves debts of eight hundred

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thousand dollars he in this statement he

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goes on but he still says he still it

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says still have says here O'Dowd still

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believes that powered balanced product

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works he claims the return rate was just

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point three percent despite the company

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offering a full refund which proves

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everything which hey that's proof

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positive wasn't more evidence what you

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need right there following the logic

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that that if it works people will keep

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it not return it which that's not true

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at all people won't bother going to the

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the processes of returning it he's still

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according to this more or less blaming

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the fact he was naive about PGA

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Therapeutic Goods Administration did you

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better read the next sentence you've got

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to read that quote where's that um about

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for me personally they could put a gun

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to my head if they like I will never

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stop believing in this uh-huh Tom come

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on into my house let's go challenge

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accepted or something

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accepted anyway folks power balance in

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this country are the fizzed out through

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the hard work of skeptical activism

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choice magazine we actually change

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things it's incredible oh no ladies

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house skeptic bros you can now sell your

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bands at sixty dollars for the win the

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schedule activism really does work

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doesn't it I went to might attend

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marrickville the other day and they had

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to knock off their power management

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might attend or a hardware shop yeah

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because you know you need some power and

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balance to hold that drill yeah actually

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need to drill to hold the drill drill

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told well anyway folks let me quickly go

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through a few matters that I've brought

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to the table tonight I'd like to give a

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shout out to all the people who listen

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to the skeptic zone who are visually

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impaired and I know we have a lot of

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listeners out there Steve her an is a

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good friend of ours he's appeared on the

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show before and his lovely guide dog

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Casey but other people who are visually

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impaired do enjoy listening to the

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skeptic zone and I'm sure they enjoy

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listening to many podcasts and I'm very

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pleased to know that a percentage of our

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audience who enjoy the show are visually

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impaired and do enjoy listening to the

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show so to you I say hello greetings and

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thank you for listening and what are you

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laughing at should survive mentioned the

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predecessor the tank vodcast at the

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moment yes yes Jason's making a rude

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comment at the show that was before this

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one was a video show this one's audio

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you might have noticed I would have

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noticed yes okay um no I was just

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laughing at watching Jay Jason work

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himself after tease who was she comment

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below but that's Joe it's normally Diane

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who goes bright red and listen a guy

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Chapman wrote me a very nice email and

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he's asked me to give a shout out to the

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people at Fukushima

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the Fukushima 50 there's breath people

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battling the atomic disaster there you

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believe some of the media they're all

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dead on you believe some of the media

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you'll believe anything i think my notes

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tell me to mention dr. rachy at millburn

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what ah the Melbourne a dr h is going to

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myself there I think so this is news to

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you dr. a gene dr. H you'll be at

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Melbourne skeptics in the pub 27th of

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June Mountain View Hotel which is 70

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Bridge Road in Richmond for more

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information if you're in Melbourne you

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want to go along and see dr. rachy talk

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visit Melbourne skeptics dot-com we got

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a you yeah and I'm doing on the sunday

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afternoon I'm doing Victorian skeptics

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which is 1230 adeline not restaurant and

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if you google that it's on their blog on

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the 20th 30th 20th Melvin's a popular

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00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,240
place not a I'm not a I'm sorry I'm

540
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:43,360
Tibet have not down there tell us how to

541
00:26:51,299 --> 00:26:49,720
speak French following away anyway gut

542
00:26:54,659 --> 00:26:51,309
please if you're in Melbourne go along

543
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:54,669
you can see dr. AG in person and get her

544
00:27:00,000 --> 00:26:56,830
insights into the recent activities

545
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:00,010
under what red sheep last 12 months the

546
00:27:02,909 --> 00:27:01,690
last six months have been off the planet

547
00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:02,919
ever they well I'm actually doing two

548
00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:05,500
different talks so if you come on Sunday

549
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,480
afternoon for lunch you'll get different

550
00:27:13,409 --> 00:27:10,720
information to monday night so there's a

551
00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:13,419
tease that's right yeah so it should be

552
00:27:19,980 --> 00:27:16,990
fun all right yet Melbourne is really

553
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:19,990
cool i like the trams ah i am so envious

554
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,030
of their public transport system you're

555
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:24,159
doing it wrong you like the bars is like

556
00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:25,809
to learn or the trams take me to the

557
00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:28,780
bars but compared to sydney melbourne

558
00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:30,909
public transport systems got it it's

559
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:34,840
just one RT Stafford Joe I'm going to

560
00:27:39,779 --> 00:27:38,169
get you started actually so you were

561
00:27:41,010 --> 00:27:39,789
telling us before about a strange

562
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:41,020
encounter in your house when you were

563
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:42,610
wrapped only in a towel but we won't go

564
00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:44,310
there

565
00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:46,230
instead we'll talk about what what

566
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:48,590
topics you brought to the table tonight

567
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:53,190
well as usual I brought a few so how

568
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:56,490
about we start with the the West Life

569
00:28:01,700 --> 00:27:58,140
Church who are claiming to be able to

570
00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:01,710
cure cancer through their baby Irish boy

571
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:11,040
band no I'm afraid not there's no

572
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:13,020
highlighting so no I left my

573
00:28:16,670 --> 00:28:14,940
highlighters at home today I'm really I

574
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:16,680
don't know how I'm gonna be able to get

575
00:28:26,290 --> 00:28:22,140
2.2 whole thing so um in the news today

576
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:26,300
a quote school of the supernatural Oh

577
00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:28,530
dr. H has just handed me a highlighter

578
00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:31,500
well I feel competent okay I said the

579
00:28:37,670 --> 00:28:35,070
nights over okay so Westlife church arm

580
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:37,680
which according to this counts Hillsong

581
00:28:42,170 --> 00:28:40,170
Church amongst its evangelical family is

582
00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:42,180
running what does that mean I'm not

583
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,280
anything they wanted to me I'm not quite

584
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:46,140
sure or hobby lobby's but is running

585
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,510
Hillsong is like the parent church yeah

586
00:28:54,419 --> 00:28:50,880
yeah the parent church to westlife yeah

587
00:28:56,639 --> 00:28:54,429
I think so yeah adopted furniture

588
00:28:58,350 --> 00:28:56,649
I think he'll soon complex formed other

589
00:29:00,359 --> 00:28:58,360
churches around the country and this is

590
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:00,369
one for bastard shower the other marine

591
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:02,049
Queensland actually I want to talk to

592
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:05,320
the choice of words spawn see the legal

593
00:29:11,879 --> 00:29:09,279
of holy Hillsong Church offshoot oh ok

594
00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:11,889
they were the parent yes yes so they're

595
00:29:16,859 --> 00:29:14,200
offering a six-month course which like

596
00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:16,869
well their website doesn't actually say

597
00:29:20,489 --> 00:29:18,940
so quite explicitly but from interviews

598
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:20,499
with people from the church and so on

599
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:23,110
they they are they claim to be able to

600
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:27,730
bring the dead back to life oh yes but

601
00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:29,320
are there any outrageous claims they're

602
00:29:34,259 --> 00:29:31,950
making oh no no no no all no sorry sorry

603
00:29:41,249 --> 00:29:34,269
everybody just was just listening at

604
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:41,259
that point go yeah well I'm watching how

605
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:42,490
they dug this wasn't everybody made to

606
00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:43,960
come back to life a couple of days ago

607
00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:47,590
boy that's sure well I'm dead it's so

608
00:29:51,659 --> 00:29:49,960
slightly anyone to see maybe he hadn't

609
00:29:53,489 --> 00:29:51,669
done this call no maybe Harold campitos

610
00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:53,499
maybe it was right and maybe that maybe

611
00:29:58,379 --> 00:29:55,929
it did happen but maybe westlife church

612
00:29:59,820 --> 00:29:58,389
unwrapped Sheard the rapture through the

613
00:30:04,680 --> 00:29:59,830
power of song yeah I'm completely

614
00:30:06,869 --> 00:30:04,690
unwrapped carry on Joe so um mmm so this

615
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:06,879
church is run by pastor by the name of

616
00:30:11,879 --> 00:30:09,610
Bill Johnson who runs the Bethel Church

617
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:11,889
in California and he speaks to the

618
00:30:16,919 --> 00:30:14,340
students through a series of dvds and

619
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,929
they claimed you of the hill physical

620
00:30:20,909 --> 00:30:18,399
ailments over the internet for the use

621
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:20,919
of skype which reminds me a little bit

622
00:30:27,389 --> 00:30:25,330
about the young homeopath severe work

623
00:30:28,499 --> 00:30:27,399
now because west because microsoft

624
00:30:30,509 --> 00:30:28,509
borders that weren't working that's

625
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:30,519
right homeopathy is doomed because

626
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:34,960
microsoft we take today to so that'll be

627
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:37,179
staffed soon no cuz they only buy it

628
00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:42,179
time well I've done that for a long time

629
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:44,470
inciting automation it did you know make

630
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:45,970
myself out to be some sort of social

631
00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:47,950
media expert or anything actually no it

632
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,350
did happen a long time ago didn't it 40

633
00:30:55,889 --> 00:30:52,480
million dollars wasn't it is that all

634
00:30:58,169 --> 00:30:55,899
years ago not years ago so there were a

635
00:31:00,029 --> 00:30:58,179
couple there are a couple of them a

636
00:31:03,539 --> 00:31:00,039
couple of things said in this article

637
00:31:07,019 --> 00:31:03,549
which really tickled me one of them was

638
00:31:12,990 --> 00:31:07,029
a quote from this is Colette who is

639
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,000
sorry just cut that per second edit I

640
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:15,039
took a lead I talked about the feathers

641
00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:19,080
of a ok so a director of the school

642
00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:21,940
sherilyn caleche said that some churches

643
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,740
in the past have had agendas and have

644
00:31:28,259 --> 00:31:25,360
not been real with their congregation

645
00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:28,269
but this one is real of course oh my so

646
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:32,380
it's not yeah yeah exactly and I love

647
00:31:35,549 --> 00:31:33,970
this one this is an environment where

648
00:31:37,379 --> 00:31:35,559
people can take risks in learning to

649
00:31:41,159 --> 00:31:37,389
operate in the supernatural without fear

650
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:41,169
of rejection or failure the stunned

651
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:42,730
silence at the table we're all looking

652
00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:50,169
like he's based in Australia these

653
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:53,080
people are the basic California is the

654
00:31:57,570 --> 00:31:55,630
master in Redding California Bethel

655
00:32:01,080 --> 00:31:57,580
Church California but this particular

656
00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:01,090
church is in Ipswich Queensland oh is

657
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:05,740
that where Pauline gain from uh the

658
00:32:11,490 --> 00:32:09,460
oxymoron yes this is also illegal to

659
00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:11,500
claim you can cure cancer Australia now

660
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:12,820
that's a good point i wanted to ask

661
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:14,440
somebody about this is that a federal

662
00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:16,690
way Laura state law or what's easy the

663
00:32:20,879 --> 00:32:18,340
problem is it and in fact I've been

664
00:32:23,639 --> 00:32:20,889
watching a story i was talking to

665
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,649
Richard about earlier the the case which

666
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:26,320
I had covered on the reality bites

667
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:28,990
segment a while ago of the spiritual

668
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:31,500
healing association of WA who are

669
00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:32,630
current

670
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:37,340
they've got they've had action taken

671
00:32:42,550 --> 00:32:40,880
against their body a triple c and they

672
00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:42,560
were claiming to be able to cure people

673
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:44,060
through the same kind of thing with

674
00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:47,930
miracle healings and so on and the the

675
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:51,260
Justice who was hearing the case Anthony

676
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:53,690
is the office I remember him saying that

677
00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:56,750
the problem he felt in the reason he

678
00:33:01,480 --> 00:32:58,070
felt that this was going to be difficult

679
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:01,490
to deal with is that you can't how can

680
00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:04,340
you take on any situation where the

681
00:33:11,260 --> 00:33:06,740
where the person is saying I can if you

682
00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:11,270
believe so they can't be kind of taking

683
00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:12,800
the attitude and looking at these cases

684
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:15,920
where the law can't really step in if

685
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:17,630
they're making a claim to cure cancer

686
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,510
but it's based on a belief system where

687
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:22,880
religion is behind it there's very

688
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:24,950
little that can be done so I'm quite

689
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,930
keen to what's all I'm yup it becomes a

690
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:29,360
religion yeah that's a good point it's

691
00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:32,030
already a bloody religion well so it'll

692
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:33,140
be interesting to hear the outcome of

693
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:34,940
that case because I mean inside some

694
00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:36,950
level this treads along similar lines

695
00:33:42,910 --> 00:33:39,020
they're making claims being able to cure

696
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:42,920
cancer but it's really yeah it's based

697
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,130
on unbelief on religious beliefs well

698
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:48,320
well here's a clip of me right now on

699
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,150
national television tomorrow talking

700
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:53,600
about this very subject clip from the

701
00:34:00,880 --> 00:33:59,210
future Richard I'm watching you closely

702
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:00,890
sitting there with yours best skeptics

703
00:34:07,570 --> 00:34:03,730
face on but your say best skeptic skippy

704
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,580
yeah what do you think well I was trying

705
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:09,280
to think of a word that is beyond

706
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,649
skepticism for what what I'm appear to

707
00:34:16,990 --> 00:34:14,480
be reading here about claims about

708
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:17,000
curing cancer or mending broken bones

709
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:18,710
and somewhere in the meter even talks

710
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:21,050
about raising the dead now look we have

711
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,550
a lot of the fun in the skeptics I love

712
00:34:26,889 --> 00:34:24,320
chasing ghosts and doing all this sort

713
00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:26,899
of stuff but this is serious this is

714
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:28,820
this is where all the laughs go away

715
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:31,610
because there could be people out there

716
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:34,879
who buy this guff and do not see their

717
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:37,460
doctors if they have cancer and there

718
00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:39,649
are cases of people giving up their

719
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:41,780
chemotherapy and their vital treatment

720
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:43,929
and pursuing these dead ends

721
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:48,129
dying yes that was me talking tomorrow

722
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:53,649
about this very topic Doctor Who of

723
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:55,270
course we're here we're recording this

724
00:35:02,849 --> 00:34:57,880
night before I'm going on television at

725
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:02,859
least 900 there we go anyhow so that's a

726
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:06,400
the latest from the school of the

727
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:10,240
supernatural thank you Joe information

728
00:35:15,329 --> 00:35:12,430
we needed to know Iran you have some

729
00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:15,339
information we need to know yes ken

730
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:18,520
harvey dr. ken harvey a good friend of

731
00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:21,849
the skeptical movement ken harvey has

732
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:24,430
been fighting quackery for a very long

733
00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:28,690
time and he lodged a complaint with the

734
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:31,960
TGA so Ken lodged the complaint with the

735
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:34,960
Therapeutic Goods Administration against

736
00:35:42,809 --> 00:35:37,960
a company called sense sliema solution

737
00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:42,819
Oh offer died it's not a diet it's a

738
00:35:49,049 --> 00:35:44,380
something you spray into your mouth it's

739
00:35:50,309 --> 00:35:49,059
supposed to make you thinner yeah likely

740
00:35:53,309 --> 00:35:50,319
to be quackery I don't know much about

741
00:35:58,309 --> 00:35:53,319
it the point is that can lodge the

742
00:36:02,250 --> 00:35:58,319
complaint against them with the TGA and

743
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:02,260
based on that complaint they sued him

744
00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:05,710
for libel now there's a reason why the

745
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:08,109
city for libel in the in the evidence

746
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,170
that they provided to the court they

747
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:13,839
cited the complaint itself in an article

748
00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:16,210
that was published I think in Australian

749
00:36:20,789 --> 00:36:17,740
doctor or something like that I'm not

750
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:20,799
sure at all pharmacies online or sun so

751
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:22,510
some of the sunrise to website that

752
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:24,569
somebody else wrote about that complaint

753
00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:27,010
which he didn't participate in it didn't

754
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:29,829
right so it's it's got it's got a very

755
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:33,970
small chance of success but while while

756
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:36,880
this is going through the cords the law

757
00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:38,650
in Australia says that the Chi GTG I

758
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:41,020
can't investigate the complaint ah so

759
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:42,730
basically it's a delay it's a delay

760
00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:45,700
tactic online Jack now there was

761
00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:49,240
supposed to be a kennel supposed to have

762
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:51,700
a day in court on Monday

763
00:36:57,839 --> 00:36:54,130
and they his lawyers have asked for the

764
00:37:00,270 --> 00:36:57,849
case to be dismissed I haven't been able

765
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:00,280
to get in touch with Ken today I tried

766
00:37:03,810 --> 00:37:01,810
but I haven't been able to get in touch

767
00:37:05,819 --> 00:37:03,820
with him to find out what the results of

768
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:05,829
that hearing were but in any case there

769
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:09,609
the answer is unlikely to be a summary

770
00:37:13,859 --> 00:37:12,520
dismissal so the expectation is that the

771
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:13,869
answer would be even if it is a

772
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:17,339
dismissal will be in a few weeks time so

773
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:21,280
ken has already spent about ten thousand

774
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:24,310
dollars on this case because just to get

775
00:37:30,089 --> 00:37:27,130
the case thrown out that that's the cost

776
00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:30,099
so even if nothing else happens that

777
00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:33,550
sent about ten thousand dollars and even

778
00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:35,230
if he's awarded costs which is likely to

779
00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:38,440
happen if the case is dismissed he will

780
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:42,280
still be out of pocket so we are alien

781
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:45,670
skeptics decided to do a pledge drive to

782
00:37:49,319 --> 00:37:48,220
make sure that ken is not out of pocket

783
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,329
because nobody should be out of pocket

784
00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:51,280
for logic and complaints to complain

785
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:56,140
against a quack with a TGA yeah so there

786
00:38:01,200 --> 00:37:58,210
will be an article on our website very

787
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:01,210
soon but in even until that's their

788
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:04,480
people can write an email to support Ken

789
00:38:11,069 --> 00:38:09,040
at skeptics comte ory you and send their

790
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:11,079
name their email of course phone number

791
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:12,970
and the amount they're pledging to pay

792
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:14,470
they don't have no payment is required

793
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:17,650
right now but people should pledge the

794
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:19,930
amount they're willing to pay to support

795
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,210
ken and if the need arises we will

796
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:24,880
contact people and ask them to pay when

797
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:27,369
the time comes as ken harvey of course

798
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:29,730
does a lot of work behind the scenes

799
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:32,530
fighting quackery and we wouldn't

800
00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:35,740
suggest to you listen of it that you

801
00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:37,960
pledge money lightly in this case we

802
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:40,630
give canal full support so if you're

803
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:42,490
interested in supporting this land and

804
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,480
what he's doing support Ken at skeptics

805
00:38:51,749 --> 00:38:49,119
calm da to Europe

806
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:51,759
and I should probably mention that this

807
00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:52,930
is particularly important because of

808
00:38:57,269 --> 00:38:54,700
what we've seen in the last couple of

809
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:57,279
years in England with the the libel laws

810
00:39:01,410 --> 00:38:58,930
there of course the libel laws in

811
00:39:04,739 --> 00:39:01,420
Australia are not as bad as they are in

812
00:39:06,269 --> 00:39:04,749
the UK but still a person who voices an

813
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:06,279
opinion or lodges a complaint should not

814
00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:09,420
be out of pocket for through a libel

815
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:14,230
lawsuit so we want to support carriages

816
00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:17,170
as a absolutely I would say as a as a

817
00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:21,700
message to everybody now I have another

818
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:26,200
message and maybe Jason can help me with

819
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:28,569
this message we as listeners know we

820
00:39:33,299 --> 00:39:30,249
were just at the mind-body wallet

821
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:33,309
festival where we had just so much fun I

822
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:35,230
can't even begin to tell you is that

823
00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:40,690
what you call it yes fun medeski we

824
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:44,230
picked up a flyer that Jason we did and

825
00:39:48,809 --> 00:39:46,150
you were chortling at it it's on the

826
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:48,819
table totally not really the word this

827
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:51,130
is a flyer we picked up at the mind-body

828
00:39:57,569 --> 00:39:55,119
wallet for this very club we are in

829
00:40:00,420 --> 00:39:57,579
right now and then he prolapsed from

830
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:00,430
humor it was unbelievable now for the

831
00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:02,890
benefit of our listeners who who don't

832
00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:08,440
have the magic of the was at them clear

833
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,420
vision or whatever it is to see what

834
00:40:16,049 --> 00:40:12,640
you're looking at what are you looking

835
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,059
at I'm looking at just down here d

836
00:40:21,690 --> 00:40:19,119
Richardson since a young child d

837
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:21,700
possesses an amazing gift will

838
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:26,170
communicate with the audience this is a

839
00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:28,930
flyer for the inner West's which is this

840
00:40:34,859 --> 00:40:31,619
part of Sydney biggest psychic and

841
00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:34,869
alternative fair which has held at this

842
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:37,150
very club with a gaggle of psychics and

843
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:38,950
feng shui and all sorts of things and

844
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:41,410
people who will communicate with the

845
00:40:46,289 --> 00:40:44,710
audience is in very poor English I'm not

846
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:46,299
psychic but I can communicate with an

847
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:48,910
audience I'm pretty sure that's the way

848
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,710
the light badly I know I just get drunk

849
00:40:55,579 --> 00:40:53,440
get guitarra a bit of a song communicate

850
00:40:57,380 --> 00:40:55,589
with the audience done sometimes

851
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:57,390
kazoo okay he'd be doing that since the

852
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:00,180
young child I have been doing that sense

853
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:04,950
of you charging for it apparently you

854
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:09,180
can well there you go actually I'm sorry

855
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:10,200
I don't know what made me think of this

856
00:41:15,049 --> 00:41:12,690
but I'm I don't know if anyone anyone

857
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:15,059
seen this some picture doing the rounds

858
00:41:21,049 --> 00:41:19,200
of a homeopathic remedy it's a photo of

859
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:21,059
the box and it's a homeopathic sleeping

860
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:23,450
tablet but it's the non-drowsy formula

861
00:41:32,539 --> 00:41:31,170
most of it I can't coach Joe run there

862
00:41:34,759 --> 00:41:32,549
by me against a homeopathic remedy

863
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:34,769
called something like karma is or

864
00:41:39,249 --> 00:41:36,420
something like that yeah and it's a

865
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:39,259
homeopathic sleeping concoction

866
00:41:44,809 --> 00:41:42,119
non-drowsy formula tell you what I hate

867
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:44,819
to be drowsy wanna mostly it's horrible

868
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:46,650
but in most homeopathic sleeping

869
00:41:53,749 --> 00:41:51,359
remedies contain caffeine yes well

870
00:41:55,789 --> 00:41:53,759
technically don't actually contain any

871
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:55,799
caffeine they might have had some

872
00:41:59,719 --> 00:41:58,140
caffeine in their history let's capital

873
00:42:01,459 --> 00:41:59,729
that's like saying I've got someone

874
00:42:03,499 --> 00:42:01,469
killed they remember during the cup of

875
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,509
coffee they drank a while I'm gonna need

876
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:05,579
some of those soon when I fly too well

877
00:42:13,099 --> 00:42:09,660
there it is there it is damaged there it

878
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,109
is um James is found it for us [\h__\h]

879
00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:16,140
calms Forte sleep aids non-drowsy

880
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:18,839
formula that's ridiculous I don't

881
00:42:23,509 --> 00:42:20,670
believe it is that from the happy Harry

882
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:23,519
sleep aid non-drowsy formula that's from

883
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:27,440
the happy g harris housing pancakes blog

884
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,529
somebody's it's easily isn't up I'm just

885
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,660
what is the parody or not always a

886
00:42:37,459 --> 00:42:35,880
prototype it's a real product if they

887
00:42:39,979 --> 00:42:37,469
sleep aid and under it it says

888
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:39,989
non-drowsy formula yeah a big shout out

889
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:42,359
to happy G heads how suppose everybody

890
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:45,450
it contains chamomile you have you don't

891
00:42:52,729 --> 00:42:47,700
have that drowsy moment before sleep you

892
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,739
just gone but sleep shoujo it's caffeine

893
00:42:59,019 --> 00:42:54,960
it's caffeine that's right and all sorts

894
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:01,069
just when you think you've seen it all

895
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,140
comments now be I know that James you

896
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:09,839
had a few items that you wish to bring

897
00:43:13,339 --> 00:43:11,609
to our attention tonight I yell for

898
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:13,349
starters this week is actually national

899
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,640
chiropractic care week so yep so by the

900
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:18,960
time you're listening to this it's going

901
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:23,970
to be over awesome Oh take advantage of

902
00:43:27,739 --> 00:43:25,980
the fact that's actually happening to

903
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,749
make sure you let everybody or at least

904
00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:29,700
some people around you know what

905
00:43:34,759 --> 00:43:32,700
chiropractic really is if you go to the

906
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:34,769
website they actually tend to avoid that

907
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:38,450
their actual words about chiropractic is

908
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:40,650
the underlying principle bianca

909
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:43,079
chiropractic is healthy spine healthier

910
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:46,140
life no not really the underlying

911
00:43:50,509 --> 00:43:47,880
principles is more about subluxations

912
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:50,519
and other whoo and make-believe things

913
00:43:57,049 --> 00:43:53,700
so they told us all about supplications

914
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,059
the cheeks great notley basically doing

915
00:44:01,549 --> 00:43:59,400
the usual akhtar med thing which is by

916
00:44:04,359 --> 00:44:01,559
trying to educate people by keeping

917
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:04,369
deluded about what it actually is

918
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:06,839
exactly the same thing yeah obfuscation

919
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:08,190
which is exactly what happened during

920
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:10,680
wha well world hoppy on p.m. when I

921
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:13,950
sweet so get out there let people know

922
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:16,859
what it really is and see if we can help

923
00:44:20,509 --> 00:44:18,900
them out basically I'm sure that's what

924
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:20,519
they really want do you know what the

925
00:44:25,789 --> 00:44:22,680
problem with the subluxation actually is

926
00:44:27,769 --> 00:44:25,799
what what well apparently there's a

927
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:27,779
power called in innate intelligence that

928
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:31,230
comes down from God into the top of your

929
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:32,940
head and that flows down your spine and

930
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:34,529
out to your extremities these doing

931
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:43,230
the hair on the beard isn't it yeah and

932
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,650
if there are little commander glasses

933
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:47,040
too i think the innate energy from God

934
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,090
doesn't get out to extremities and

935
00:44:54,690 --> 00:44:51,760
that's why you're ill Joe just choked on

936
00:45:00,000 --> 00:44:54,700
her drink she did she really didn't fall

937
00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:00,010
on workstations are actually real there

938
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,840
are physiological thing but not

939
00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:03,520
chiropractic well what they just made

940
00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:06,460
they just made up the term they use for

941
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:08,350
subluxations what they say when they

942
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:11,370
mean some locations is not subluxation

943
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:14,770
what an actual supply no no I'm shocked

944
00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:17,110
you mean you mean a quack modality is

945
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:19,720
stolen a word from science but also

946
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:21,550
there's some of them deny the whole

947
00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:23,470
theory of chiropractic quake dick

948
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:25,840
subluxations as well so they can't even

949
00:45:29,130 --> 00:45:27,130
be consistent amongst their own

950
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:29,140
profession as to whether or not the

951
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,910
basis for the expression is paralyzation

952
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:34,000
I'm shocked again mostly basically what

953
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:35,770
they call mixer care aquatics ones who

954
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,630
tend to mix chiropractic with other

955
00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:40,240
forms of here healing or basically just

956
00:45:43,890 --> 00:45:41,380
follow things that are actually just

957
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:43,900
typical medicine they're not true

958
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:46,930
chiropractors it's going to yeah I

959
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:49,390
should say also just I'm hopping back to

960
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:51,510
the beginning of the show that the only

961
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:53,830
published study on power balance was

962
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:55,480
done by chiropractors are in my teen it

963
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:57,490
was a really good study actually so

964
00:46:02,040 --> 00:45:59,170
there are very surprised mother there

965
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:02,050
are streams of car chiropractors who are

966
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:04,030
not quacks there are some that actually

967
00:46:08,580 --> 00:46:06,610
do you tend to have an evidence-based

968
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,590
somewhat you point out though that in

969
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:10,960
Australia all the tree there I think

970
00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:12,970
that three different associations of

971
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,790
perhapses and all of them are everybody

972
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:17,760
at the top of those organizations are

973
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:20,230
hardcore traditional chiropractors who

974
00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:22,270
believe in the was it called the life

975
00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:23,860
force that flows through the mighty

976
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:26,140
night energy so innate intelligence or a

977
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:28,930
nail or something here I mean sure I

978
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:31,960
mean Coco is very very critical of all

979
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:34,510
that stuff chiropractic in osteopathic

980
00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:38,050
college of what is it Coco chiropractic

981
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:39,790
I'll see a penny

982
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:42,800
CAA chiropractors Association of

983
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:47,140
Australia three organizations that that

984
00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:49,880
there could be more but I know three

985
00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:52,100
organizations particularly critical of

986
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,960
the [\h__\h] that the three major ones

987
00:46:57,970 --> 00:46:56,000
have yeah and in particular they made a

988
00:47:00,190 --> 00:46:57,980
very strong statements in there the new

989
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,200
code of conduct about vaccination in

990
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:03,280
that regard because most Quackers quick

991
00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:05,990
weave carry crackers well they'll deny

992
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:08,360
it our antivirus evacs yeah I think

993
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:10,280
Diane you need one right now to stop

994
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:13,010
that sneezing it's a big thing about

995
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:14,450
chiropractic is there's there's two

996
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:17,450
forms of it seemingly yeah you know this

997
00:47:23,290 --> 00:47:19,130
is the straighter mixes there's all

998
00:47:25,210 --> 00:47:23,300
matters and ladies slight matters the

999
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:25,220
main difficulty I have with it is that

1000
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:28,610
if the average member remember the

1001
00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:31,010
public would not know all of this

1002
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:33,140
background and you would not really a

1003
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:36,290
baby care practice if you're just going

1004
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:38,210
to see a chiropractor which most people

1005
00:47:43,330 --> 00:47:40,910
think is another form of medicine man

1006
00:47:46,570 --> 00:47:43,340
Joe more the physiotherapy you Anson and

1007
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:46,580
so on you're completely oblivious to all

1008
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:48,650
of this and you just have no idea and

1009
00:47:54,490 --> 00:47:52,160
even as a skeptic who's reading this

1010
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:54,500
stuff and learning about it I still find

1011
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:57,170
there is a real difficulty in knowing if

1012
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,150
I aside from when I go into a particular

1013
00:48:03,250 --> 00:48:01,040
chiropractors website and I can clearly

1014
00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:03,260
see what they're offering and I have

1015
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:06,590
seen a few recently you have gotten

1016
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:08,270
nothing on there that I find suspicious

1017
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:10,550
nothing that it remotely makes me

1018
00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:12,710
concerned or that rings my alarm bells

1019
00:48:16,210 --> 00:48:14,750
it very much looks to me like there

1020
00:48:19,930 --> 00:48:16,220
might as well just call themselves a

1021
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:19,940
physio so you know it's just not

1022
00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:22,250
remotely anything worrying but it's

1023
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:24,680
still you have this feeling of unease of

1024
00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:26,540
is this just the way they're presenting

1025
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:28,430
themselves what is underlying it and I

1026
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:30,170
think that as a profession if they're

1027
00:48:33,970 --> 00:48:32,270
going to have any credibility they have

1028
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:33,980
to completely cut themselves off from

1029
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:36,770
this schism that's what need to do yeah

1030
00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:39,110
Reformation may well say yeah a friend

1031
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:41,000
of mine went to a chiropractor the other

1032
00:48:44,099 --> 00:48:41,680
day who gave me

1033
00:48:46,349 --> 00:48:44,109
adventure for half-price consultation

1034
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:46,359
and he went anything they kind of

1035
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:49,839
conduct by the way he got a little back

1036
00:48:53,579 --> 00:48:51,760
massage he thing he's a rock climber so

1037
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:53,589
he has a bit of back issues I used to be

1038
00:48:58,380 --> 00:48:55,650
rock climb on myself I understand them

1039
00:49:00,000 --> 00:48:58,390
um so you got his little little back

1040
00:49:01,710 --> 00:49:00,010
massage thing and he came outside and

1041
00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:01,720
noticed on the receptionist desk some

1042
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:07,480
leaflets from the AVM well I think what

1043
00:49:10,349 --> 00:49:08,950
you're saying it sounds to me like what

1044
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:10,359
they need is all the Reformation they

1045
00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:14,200
need the sack of Rome do you know I mean

1046
00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:15,460
I've been doing some work with a

1047
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:17,020
journalist on this particular issue

1048
00:49:23,099 --> 00:49:18,970
which is actually Kyra crackers and

1049
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:23,109
antibiotics and when he he's asked a

1050
00:49:28,349 --> 00:49:25,990
couple of them because some of them are

1051
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:28,359
professional members of avian and their

1052
00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:30,910
response is oh we just subscribe to the

1053
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,200
magazine and that's all you shouldn't

1054
00:49:36,839 --> 00:49:34,200
take anything from that what magazine

1055
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,849
well he was a little boy it hasn't been

1056
00:49:40,799 --> 00:49:38,559
one forever that's it but in addition

1057
00:49:46,579 --> 00:49:40,809
I'll know another journalist who asked

1058
00:49:49,530 --> 00:49:46,589
the head of the sea CA of CAA Australia

1059
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:49,540
in an interview he did with him if he

1060
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:50,950
was if his children have been vaccinated

1061
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:52,780
and he would not answer the question

1062
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:56,530
yeah Tony Blair did that yeah but also

1063
00:50:01,620 --> 00:49:59,410
he's a nut here's one for our listeners

1064
00:50:03,450 --> 00:50:01,630
if any listener knows what the Green

1065
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:03,460
Party in Australia the Greens their

1066
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:05,650
official position on vaccination is or

1067
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:07,630
Bob Brown let us know we know we know

1068
00:50:11,010 --> 00:50:09,220
the party's position the party's

1069
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:11,020
position is pro vaccination but Bob

1070
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,680
Brown himself he's read out some pro ADM

1071
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:17,440
material in hand side I think about six

1072
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:23,290
years ago me oh it's not easy I know but

1073
00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:25,569
the party is probe ex roem still hasn't

1074
00:50:29,730 --> 00:50:28,420
okay okay listen Ollie and party and

1075
00:50:30,820 --> 00:50:29,740
there was also the fact that there was

1076
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:30,830
um

1077
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:34,430
that anti vex book which which his his

1078
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:36,410
name was attached to a little you know

1079
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:39,650
review that was promoting this book so

1080
00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:42,380
you know I think his position more it

1081
00:50:46,090 --> 00:50:44,300
needs to be oh that's Australian

1082
00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:46,100
politics for the other thing is about

1083
00:50:51,130 --> 00:50:47,900
going back to Cairo crackers is that

1084
00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:51,140
they and this has been documented

1085
00:50:55,090 --> 00:50:53,960
somewhere somebody found it recently was

1086
00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:55,100
I think it might have been Loretta

1087
00:50:59,350 --> 00:50:57,140
actually they have this business model

1088
00:51:00,880 --> 00:50:59,360
where they they set up things like first

1089
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:00,890
visit is health price and then they give

1090
00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:02,870
you six visits for you know 100 like

1091
00:51:07,150 --> 00:51:05,240
however much money that is against their

1092
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:07,160
code of conduct explicitly against the

1093
00:51:11,830 --> 00:51:08,690
code of conduct because that's over

1094
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:11,840
servicing but they so didn't do it but

1095
00:51:15,610 --> 00:51:13,070
it's what the entire profession was

1096
00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:15,620
based on originally when they when they

1097
00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:18,790
came up against the AMA in you know the

1098
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:21,740
1930s or whenever it was that whole

1099
00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:23,930
thing of setting themselves up as almost

1100
00:51:29,830 --> 00:51:27,020
like a Salesman model rather than as a

1101
00:51:31,660 --> 00:51:29,840
medical model was how they survived it

1102
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,670
was how they promoted themselves it was

1103
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:33,680
my yeah I know but it's now against

1104
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:34,910
their code of conduct and they're still

1105
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:38,530
doing it it's just disgusting like pubs

1106
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:40,910
honestly I mean real is this possible

1107
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:42,950
just so we're eating oh you have all

1108
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:45,770
your Swansea I'm saying it is unethical

1109
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:47,930
to do that and pull your socks up

1110
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:50,570
honestly if you do find some

1111
00:51:54,370 --> 00:51:52,010
chiropractors who are doing that and you

1112
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:54,380
want to report them Simon Perry has

1113
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,540
actually created a nice browser plugin

1114
00:52:00,880 --> 00:51:58,400
that will automate most of the process

1115
00:52:02,530 --> 00:52:00,890
for you oh yes ah so far its own for

1116
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,540
Chrome the name of the plugin is called

1117
00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:04,880
fish barrel because basically it makes

1118
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,950
reporting quacks like shooting fish in a

1119
00:52:12,580 --> 00:52:09,280
barrel fish burger that's if so if

1120
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:12,590
session is Google fish barrel and

1121
00:52:16,990 --> 00:52:14,810
and that's it they should be able to

1122
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:17,000
find us fish farm low rider is Sammy

1123
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:19,010
Perry it's only available for Chrome at

1124
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:20,900
the moment but a Firefox one is coming

1125
00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:23,150
good it's specifically designed for the

1126
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:24,740
English systems and the Australian

1127
00:52:28,810 --> 00:52:27,050
systems biani meals actually went to him

1128
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:28,820
and asked him to make the change to

1129
00:52:34,180 --> 00:52:31,490
require some woodwork for Australia you

1130
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:34,190
know reporting in australia since we

1131
00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:35,330
went to the national registration

1132
00:52:42,070 --> 00:52:37,940
because it's been really hard to sort of

1133
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:42,080
clarify who is actually covering those

1134
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:45,890
issues is it a pronounced ahpra or

1135
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:47,690
Australian health practitioner

1136
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:50,420
regulation agency yeah that can get

1137
00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:52,730
confusing is that cover the card records

1138
00:52:57,580 --> 00:52:55,120
as well now all right quick quote card

1139
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:57,590
corny chiropractors I said Kerry

1140
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:01,520
crackers good and the proposals to

1141
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:03,650
regulate other industry other cam

1142
00:53:08,890 --> 00:53:05,690
industries like acupuncture and so on

1143
00:53:11,170 --> 00:53:08,900
that would all fall under ahpra from my

1144
00:53:12,550 --> 00:53:11,180
understanding what I always got their

1145
00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:12,560
own industries because said I want to

1146
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,030
play medicine they should play by the

1147
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:16,160
same rules may I hope you realize really

1148
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:20,210
low low low when I was a teenager I had

1149
00:53:24,850 --> 00:53:23,090
bad neck neck problems I got the

1150
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:24,860
microphone icon dogs when I was a

1151
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:26,690
teenager I had bad neck problems on our

1152
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:28,550
I don't know 15 or something I was

1153
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:31,490
involved with a schoolyard fight and I

1154
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:35,110
had Nick Nick damage and at the time

1155
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:38,510
when you're 15 and when I was 15 dad

1156
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:41,450
took me to a chiropractor how could I

1157
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:43,670
possibly know anything other than this

1158
00:53:48,370 --> 00:53:45,410
is another medical professional who's

1159
00:53:50,770 --> 00:53:48,380
going to help me and fix my problems so

1160
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:50,780
he crunch my neck and I went pop pop pop

1161
00:53:55,099 --> 00:53:54,050
okay most 15 year old boys have wrist

1162
00:53:57,079 --> 00:53:55,109
problems rather than

1163
00:53:59,809 --> 00:53:57,089
mega problem what depends of there

1164
00:54:01,039 --> 00:53:59,819
looking and so yeah of course is a 15

1165
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,049
year old ID I didn't know any different

1166
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:04,079
but it helped at the time but I'm sure

1167
00:54:08,359 --> 00:54:06,420
he was just relieving a problem i had in

1168
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:08,369
my neck by the muscles or something like

1169
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:10,049
that lately well hindsight is a

1170
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,700
wonderful thing that's good you want to

1171
00:54:18,859 --> 00:54:13,440
say something else not believe though

1172
00:54:23,509 --> 00:54:18,869
see what's the game anymore bueno what

1173
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,519
did him wrong booyah Iran yeah let's

1174
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:26,640
wrap up the show with a comment you have

1175
00:54:31,099 --> 00:54:28,890
to make which isn't about Nimrod wiener

1176
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:31,109
actually there's just two things first

1177
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:33,150
of all I was just browsing while talking

1178
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:34,650
about chiropractors here I was looking

1179
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:39,960
at the this psychic fair 526 of june

1180
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,720
this year now and I you know how

1181
00:54:47,329 --> 00:54:44,640
psychics are always the best psychic

1182
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:47,339
medium into another now how's this for

1183
00:54:54,529 --> 00:54:50,579
up for under playing yourself in the

1184
00:55:00,349 --> 00:54:54,539
2011 Australian psychic directory that's

1185
00:55:01,789 --> 00:55:00,359
it that's what she is florence king

1186
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:01,799
that's that's her credit like that's

1187
00:55:07,269 --> 00:55:03,960
what she is 13 the 2011 australian

1188
00:55:10,759 --> 00:55:07,279
psychic directory and she's gonna clean

1189
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:10,769
i'm in the 2011 whitepages yeah don't

1190
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:16,049
worry together some way yeah anyway now

1191
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,640
then we know that Florence king is in

1192
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:19,440
the 2011's Rena psychic directory I can

1193
00:55:23,029 --> 00:55:21,660
talk about the shirts that we sell on

1194
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:23,039
the Australian skeptics website oh yes

1195
00:55:27,769 --> 00:55:24,930
we have a variety of shapes we have the

1196
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:27,779
Australian skeptics unisex black shirts

1197
00:55:32,749 --> 00:55:30,230
and variety of colors and sizes of the

1198
00:55:35,059 --> 00:55:32,759
v-neck once the very good that then

1199
00:55:37,789 --> 00:55:35,069
they're quite plain but they got planned

1200
00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:37,799
about the little logo they are ? logo

1201
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:41,190
yeah yeah yeah then we've got these d

1202
00:55:47,749 --> 00:55:44,700
sell for twenty dollars but we also have

1203
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:47,759
a lot of Tam Australia shirts yes and

1204
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:50,339
SGU done undershirts yes and they go for

1205
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,049
a special price of eight dollars now

1206
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:54,480
eight dollars yes that's a brain

1207
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:55,890
slapping bargain I'm going to buy some

1208
00:55:59,370 --> 00:55:58,170
eight really it's a cervical authoring

1209
00:56:02,099 --> 00:55:59,380
the section

1210
00:56:05,759 --> 00:56:02,109
you can get a big skies to the universe

1211
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,769
t-shirt parade bucks yes brown or blue

1212
00:56:09,630 --> 00:56:08,079
Wow and all the money should probably

1213
00:56:11,549 --> 00:56:09,640
point out that the time know you're

1214
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:11,559
doing this discount whether I was just

1215
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:13,240
going to say that all the money from

1216
00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:15,720
selling those shirts goes to the su

1217
00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:18,700
aren't we nice and we know something

1218
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:21,400
else we should mention those who aren't

1219
00:56:29,009 --> 00:56:25,529
aware is that currently on sale on the

1220
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:29,019
skeptics website is we've got a pre-sale

1221
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:33,250
running for the tam Australia DVD so

1222
00:56:40,589 --> 00:56:37,569
it's an eight disc box sesh with all the

1223
00:56:42,029 --> 00:56:40,599
footage and interviews and everything

1224
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:42,039
you could possibly want for those of you

1225
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:43,150
who are there and those of you who

1226
00:56:48,299 --> 00:56:46,329
weren't you can enjoy it all and if you

1227
00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:48,309
buy it on the pre-sale now you'll get it

1228
00:56:55,289 --> 00:56:49,960
at a ten percent discount on the full

1229
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:55,299
price so www skeptics Comte you and you

1230
00:57:00,059 --> 00:56:57,490
can look at the the shirts and the DVD

1231
00:57:05,759 --> 00:57:00,069
now we've been on Magna hang before you

1232
00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:05,769
go I just want to say that Joe Rachel

1233
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:08,200
Iran myself and Tim mendham who put

1234
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:09,849
together town Australia we've all been

1235
00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:13,210
reviewing the footage from the DVD just

1236
00:57:17,789 --> 00:57:15,430
a tweak it make sure it's ok I'm blown

1237
00:57:19,859 --> 00:57:17,799
away the quality is so good and I'm

1238
00:57:22,049 --> 00:57:19,869
actually seeing presentations I

1239
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:22,059
completely missed on tan because I was

1240
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:24,130
running around like a local of them like

1241
00:57:30,509 --> 00:57:25,930
all of them yeah except the ones i was

1242
00:57:33,269 --> 00:57:30,519
in that brilliant a great a great Dima

1243
00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:33,279
Dima now he's guys well yes yes and does

1244
00:57:37,529 --> 00:57:35,500
the time I was DVD include the swears

1245
00:57:41,730 --> 00:57:37,539
because I've been trying to get swears

1246
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:41,740
on to this podcast 40 months now I saw

1247
00:57:47,759 --> 00:57:44,710
earlier Nimrod we did last last think

1248
00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:47,769
tank you said our sonar first I swear no

1249
00:57:52,529 --> 00:57:49,960
that's why I'm here you see the trouble

1250
00:57:55,799 --> 00:57:52,539
is the trouble is our if you do I'll

1251
00:57:58,859 --> 00:57:55,809
bleep it that's the thing does the DVD

1252
00:58:02,900 --> 00:57:58,869
include this way as or not what anybody

1253
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,680
crikey um yeah you're just wear your

1254
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:09,280
check guide the late night show what's

1255
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:12,130
his name as one on Channel livin

1256
00:58:21,210 --> 00:58:16,930
Ferguson oh he's funny he's a good good

1257
00:58:24,930 --> 00:58:21,220
crikey crikey crikey there we go dreams

1258
00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:24,940
my horrible thank you Iran thank you for

1259
00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:27,400
that information buy your shirts and

1260
00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:30,940
your dvds at the skeptics website WWF

1261
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:33,190
dicks calmed are you Iran thank you for

1262
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:35,050
coming along to think tank tonight thank

1263
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:37,240
you very much rated was it makes me the

1264
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:40,390
pleasure being here and the vision in in

1265
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:43,450
white is Diane thank you for being here

1266
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:46,330
tonight Diane and thank you for doing

1267
00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:48,610
that has a voice she does but but

1268
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,260
listeners know her voice because she's

1269
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:53,440
the one who says that in in Dutch that

1270
00:58:58,110 --> 00:58:54,910
people should visit the skeptics own

1271
00:59:00,960 --> 00:58:58,120
website too that I play occasionally yes

1272
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:00,970
she's gone red I love it she's gone red

1273
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:04,450
sure thank you thank you Richard nice to

1274
00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:07,210
be back again yes it is dr. AG thank you

1275
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:08,800
Richard I forgot to get out my apps

1276
00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:11,010
didn't I but noises oh you're funny

1277
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,990
laughing the your iPad in front of you

1278
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,760
but yes that may not this week to make

1279
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:17,680
funny noises right

1280
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:21,190
oh well maybe maybe next time Jason

1281
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:23,770
thanks for the beers Richard or in fact

1282
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:26,290
our benefactor Eric yes thank you very

1283
00:59:33,690 --> 00:59:30,490
Joe mr. Nimrod winner hahaha and until

1284
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:33,700
the next thing tank which I hope will be

1285
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,050
half as good as this one cheers hey guys

1286
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:52,000
this is jay from the skeptics guide to

1287
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:55,210
the universe well hold on whoa everybody

1288
00:59:58,560 --> 00:59:56,710
knows I'm the only reason to listen to

1289
01:00:03,660 --> 00:59:58,570
the freakshow right I mean it was up to

1290
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:03,670
me the show would start with this yeah

1291
01:00:08,730 --> 01:00:06,190
boy well Rebecca would hate that

1292
01:00:10,170 --> 01:00:08,740
probably but I mean I'd rock that listen

1293
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:10,180
to our show and you can learn about cool

1294
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:11,650
stuff like a technological singularity

1295
01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:13,090
which is someday when technology

1296
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:14,950
progresses so fast that it would make

1297
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:16,330
the Industrial Revolution look like a

1298
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:18,370
kid science project anyway come check us

1299
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:41,510
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1300
01:00:47,539 --> 01:00:44,880
zone ah mind-body wallet what would we

1301
01:00:49,660 --> 01:00:47,549
do without you and be a lot saner I

1302
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:49,670
think without you mind body wallet I

1303
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:52,380
think we keep saying this but that when

1304
01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:54,089
we keep trying but we really have to get

1305
01:00:59,000 --> 01:00:57,089
someone from the a Triple C the

1306
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:59,010
Australian Consumer and competition

1307
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:01,140
commission or is it the Australian

1308
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:03,210
Competition Consumer Commission whatever

1309
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:06,960
along to mind/body wallet to show the

1310
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:10,530
number of outrageous claims being made

1311
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:15,510
at this so-called alternative fair yeah

1312
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:18,569
that really should be done on next

1313
01:01:22,910 --> 01:01:20,970
week's show more of maynard we've missed

1314
01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:22,920
him this week he's back next week with

1315
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:24,630
some interviews and other things and

1316
01:01:29,539 --> 01:01:27,420
don't forget the doctor rachy and myself

1317
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:29,549
will be appearing this year at the

1318
01:01:34,460 --> 01:01:32,400
amazing meeting in Las Vegas if you

1319
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:34,470
haven't got your tickets yet don't

1320
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,170
hesitate don't hesitate randy says

1321
01:01:43,579 --> 01:01:39,359
they're selling out fast I'm sure they

1322
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,589
are and if you do come to Tam 9 I think

1323
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:44,880
they're calling it Tam 9 from outer

1324
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:48,089
space in Las Vegas this year please come

1325
01:01:54,260 --> 01:01:50,730
up and say hello I would be delighted to

1326
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,270
meet you and dr. H II would too we were

1327
01:01:58,039 --> 01:01:55,680
sort of hoping that some more people

1328
01:02:00,440 --> 01:01:58,049
from the skeptics and can be there it's

1329
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:00,450
well you know to be frank it just boils

1330
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:02,520
down to the fact that the air fares are

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not cheap right now to get to Las Vegas

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nevertheless some of us will be there to

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have some fun and to say hello to you

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but for now for this week at least this

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is Richard Saunders signing off from

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone visit our website at www skeptics